Some people report that democracy is being exercised in the state capital of Wisconsin, Madison. Many Wisconsin teachers have abandoned their classrooms to play Egyptian roulette, rioting in slightly less violent form. Tune in below to hear what the modestly intellectual teacher class is doing these days:
I recently received the following response to one of my articles questioning my belief that President Obama is a Marxist”
“Marxism a a tag? Do you know ANYTHING about Marxism or Marxist theory, and why Obama is nowhere Near a Marxist? This hyperbolic nonsense is really starting to irritate me.”
The following was my response to the reader. I do not intend to use the label Marxist as name calling. There is no doubt in my mind Mr. Obama believes in Marxist tenets. Here was my response:
“I know a great deal about Marxism….My Master of Arts degree was in Soviet Studies and within that discipline one became very acquainted with the shades and colors of its domain and all of the human sins and atrocities it has committed upon the human being. I submit few Americans and certainly very few American Leftists know anything about Marxism.
Yet they know the label is not a warm cozy one. My personal belief the reason Obama is so disingenuous, so deceitful and duplicitous in his speeches and discussions and behind the scenes maneuverings is to cover his real devotion to Marxism. He is a student of “Saul Alinsky, a well known Chicago Marxist activist, has approved of a number of Marxists to his administration…..Van Jones for one, and Anita Dunne who named in a speech (of which I have a recording) .that one of her two favorite philosophers of all time is Mao Tse Dung, (the greatest mass murderer of all time.)
Obama is not a Marxist terrorist. For most of the past fifty years Marxist activity has changed in it approach to effect “revolution”, discarding violence turning to stealth using the democratic system to end the democracy. They now “progress”.
In democratic societies no one can defend Marxism and win at the ballot box. Deceit is essential……Obama cannot identify himself as a Marxist, he would become unelectable. He simply advertises ‘change’. What he is accomplishing is Marxist…..the enormous expansion of the State over the individual….to the ultimate result that citizen life is run by the State. This general theme, this Marxism is the tenet of the vast majority of today’s university social science ‘intellectuals’ who are particularly persuaded by its atheism, their religion of choice. Marxism is exceptionally popular among the university departments of education……there is an actual Marxist division amongst its leaders, terrorist Bill Ayers being a leader among them until his recent retirement.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind Mr; Obama is a committed Marxist of the university kind, the only professional environment he has ever known.
Have you ever asked Progressives what the ultimate is to that toward which they are Progressing? Of course the result is Marxist…..over time…Marxism..Of course Mr. Obama is a Marxist. Where along the line of Marxist progression he might be is not clear.
Redistribution of wealth is something he admits to…quiet usually. He demonstrates no exercises whatsoever that he appreciates the great American Trinity…that is the pillars upon which has made America unique in the world.. “In God We Trust”…..”E Pluribus Unum”……and “Liberty”
The Obama administration has not been interested in Liberty. Indeed he was in the headlines of opposing every effort in Iraq regarding deposing Sadam Hussein. The entire Democratic Establishment has opposed E Pluribus Unum by advancing the poisons of Multiculturalism in our schools and businesses pandering to cults, to victimhood groups, to erode America the United. The Democratic Left has done everything it can to destroy America’s Christianity, its pride in its accomplishments, in favor of its new religion, atheism, the religion of Marxism.
I do not know what is in Mr. Obama’s mind. I don’t know what his inner soul tells him must be done.
By his actions Mr. Obama is a Marxist. He is also a graduate, a 22 year member of Jeremiah “Goddamn America” Wrights’ church in Chicago, a man he claimed as his “father figure.”
Dennis Prager has asked his friends to remember the totality of the truth of his famous statement:
“The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.”
I learned to speak Russian. I had been to the Soviet Union twice in my life including the summer of 1966 when it still was a first class Marxist dictatorship.
Developing Marxism to achieve a Marxist dictatorhip can take a long time these days. I do not think that a dictatorship is Mr. Obama’s goal. Frankly I don’t think Mr. Obama is a very well educated individual. I don’t think he really knows the damage he is doing to the country by making more Marxism occur with building the public sector.
He has a law degree but has never been an adult out of that mileu.
He is causing America grave injury because of his Marxist thinking, his gross inexperience in management, and dishonesty and inability or lack of desire to lead.
He is a very good politician….very devious, clever.Perhaps not a ill-intending person, however.. He may even have a dream for America….But, Hitler had a dream for Germany and Stalin had a dream for Russia.
Obama’s dream does not seem to be an American one.
Thank you for your interest. Please continue if you have more questions.”
Bill O’Reilly has declared Obama is not a Marxist. The proof for this, he anounced, was Marxists don’t allow people to own property.
That is not true. What would you call Hugo Chavez? He calls himself a Marxist. Venezuelans can still own some property.
When did Lenin become a Marxist? He cleverly claimed the name “Bolshevik” to describe his body of revolutionaries. He was a Marxist before he chose that name, and remained a Marxist when he was a Communist until he died in 1924.
Michael Medved insists Obama is not a Marxist, but has never explained himself. He does own up to Obama’s Marxist tendencies. Mr. Medved simply hasn’t come out of the closet yet.
Dennis Prager also “hesitates”….his own word….to call Obama a Marxist. I simply disagree on this point with Dennis. I don’t have a radio show. He does. Dennis describes the entire Marxist scene, a scene in which President Obama clearly fits.
Dennis is my favorite American I have ever met in my life. I cannot tell you how deeply and profoundly I respect his honesty….his clarity…..his forthrightness, his wisdom, his teaching….and I could go on and on about other positives.
I think Dennis would certainly agree that Mr. Obama is a Progressive. I agree too, but believe his dreams and actions from those dreams have progressed passing ’Progressive’ to Marxist. After all, what is the end game for any “Progressive but a progressive progressing to Marxism.” It is as natural as natural can be…..the creation of a government to rule its people and manage their lives.
If Dennis called Obama a Marxist, many followers of his show might think it extreme and become nervous about the word “extreme”. Yet, I wonder what word Dennis uses to describe Obama in private.
For Americans who don’t think the welfare state riots of France or Greece can happen here, we recommend a look at the union and Democratic Party spectacle now unfolding in Wisconsin. Over the past few days, thousands have swarmed the state capital and airwaves to intimidate lawmakers and disrupt Governor Scott Walker’s plan to level the playing field between taxpayers and government unions.
Mr. Walker’s very modest proposal would take away the ability of most government employees to collectively bargain for benefits. They could still bargain for higher wages, but future wage increases would be capped at the federal Consumer Price Index, unless otherwise specified by a voter referendum. The bill would also require union members to contribute 5.8% of salary toward their pensions and chip in 12.6% of the cost of their health insurance premiums.
If those numbers don’t sound outrageous, you probably work in the private economy. The comparable nationwide employee health-care contribution is 20% for private industry, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The average employee contribution from take-home pay for retirement was 7.5% in 2009, according to the Employee Benefits Research Institute.
Mr. Walker says he has no choice but to make these changes because unions refuse to negotiate any compensation changes, which is similar to the experience Chris Christie had upon taking office in New Jersey. Wisconsin is running a $137 million deficit this year and anticipates coming up another $3.6 billion short in the next two-year budget. Governor Walker’s office estimates the proposals would save the state $300 million over the next two years, and the alternative would be to lay off 5,500 public employees.
None of this is deterring the crowds in Madison, aka Mad Town, where protesters, including many from the 98,000-member teachers union, have gone Greek. Madison’s school district had to close Thursday when 40% of its teachers called in sick. So much for the claim that this is “all about the children.” By the way, these are some of the same teachers who sued the Milwaukee school board last August to get Viagra coverage restored to their health-care plan.
The protests have an orchestrated quality, and sure enough, the Politico website reported yesterday that the Democratic Party’s Organizing for America arm is helping to gin them up. The outfit is a remnant of President Obama’s 2008 election campaign, so it’s also no surprise that Mr. Obama said yesterday that while he knows nothing about the bill, he supports protesters occupying the Capitol building.
“These folks are teachers, and they’re firefighters and they’re social workers and they’re police officers,” he said, “and it’s important not to vilify them.” Mr. Obama is right that he knows nothing about the bill because it explicitly excludes police and firefighters. We’d have thought the President had enough to think about with his own $1.65 trillion deficit proposal going down with a thud in Congress, but it appears that the 2012 campaign is already underway.
The unions and their Democratic friends have also been rolling out their Hitler, Soviet Union and Hosni Mubarak analogies. “The story around the world is the rush to democracy,” offered Democratic State Senator Bob Jauch. “The story in Wisconsin is the end of the democratic process.”
The reality is that the unions are trying to trump the will of the voters as overwhelmingly rendered in November when they elected Mr. Walker and a new legislature. As with the strikes against pension or labor reforms that routinely shut down Paris or Athens, the goal is to create enough mayhem that Republicans and voters will give up.
While Republicans now have the votes to pass the bill, on Thursday Big Labor’s Democratic allies walked out of the state senate to block a vote. Under state rules, 20 members of the 33-member senate must be present to hold a vote on an appropriations bill, leaving the 19 Republicans one member short. By the end of the day some Democrats were reported to have fled the state. So who’s really trying to short-circuit democracy?
Unions are treating these reforms as Armageddon because they’ve owned the Wisconsin legislature for years and the changes would reduce their dominance. Under Governor Walker’s proposal, the government also would no longer collect union dues from paychecks and then send that money to the unions. Instead, unions would be responsible for their own collection regimes. The bill would also require unions to be recertified annually by a majority of all members. Imagine that: More accountability inside unions.
The larger reality is that collective bargaining for government workers is not a God-given or constitutional right. It is the result of the growing union dominance inside the Democratic Party during the middle of the last century. John Kennedy only granted it to federal workers in 1962 and Jerry Brown to California workers in 1978. Other states, including Indiana and Missouri, have taken away collective bargaining rights for public employees in recent years, and some 24 states have either limited it or banned it outright.
And for good reason. Public unions have a monopoly position that gives them undue bargaining power. Their campaign cash—collected via mandatory dues—also helps to elect the politicians who are then supposed to represent taxpayers in negotiations with those same unions. The unions sit, in effect, on both sides of the bargaining table. This is why such famous political friends of the working man as Franklin Roosevelt and Fiorello La Guardia opposed collective bargaining for government workers, even as they championed private unions.
The battle of Mad Town is a seminal showdown over whether government union power can be tamed, and overall government reined in. The alternative is higher taxes until the middle class is picked clean and the U.S. economy is no longer competitive. Voters said in November that they want reform, and Mr. Walker is trying to deliver. We hope Republicans hold firm, and that the people of Wisconsin understand that this battle is ultimately about their right to self-government.”
What a Shock! Is America Rediscovering That its Schools are places for Teaching Knowledge rather than Sex and Pleasure…..
………and a Hate for their own Country?
What a Revolutionary idea. What has happened to the Marxists and other Leftists in the nation’s Departments of Education to come to such a conclusion!!!!!!! Wow, what a discovery.
Does that mean that teaching knowledge will supercede teaching Marxist religion and other Earth gods?
What will the Democrats and their racists do now if the nation’s young begin to discover certain facts of the world around us and the struggles of the American story?
Will there be a new religion in town?
The following information is provided by the National Center for Policy Analysis:
Make Higher Student Achievement Chief Objective for Teachers
Research consistently demonstrates that there are very important differences among teachers, but teacher skills are not captured by the most commonly used measurements — teacher qualifications, degrees, years of experience and the like, says Eric Hanushek, the Paul and Jean Hanna Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution.
If we can’t identify the best teachers by comparing their credentials, how do we define a good teacher?
- The best way — indeed the only objective way currently available — is to observe his or her classroom performance and specifically what students learn.
- From this new perspective, a good teacher is one who consistently evokes large gains in student learning, while a poor teacher is one who consistently gets small gains in student learning.
The magnitude of the differences in effectiveness among teachers is impressive.
- Looking at the range of quality for teachers within a single large urban district, teachers near the top of the quality distribution elicited an entire year’s worth of additional learning out of their students (during a single academic year) compared to those near the bottom.
- Looking at just the variations in performance from differences in teacher quality within a typical school, the statistical analyses indicate that moving from an average quality teacher to one ranked among the top 15 percent of all teachers can be expected to move the average student up more than 8 percentile rankings during the course of a school year.
- In other words, an average student who got one of these good teachers would move from the middle of the achievement distribution (the 50th percentile) to the 58th percentile.
Like all human beings, teachers respond to the incentives that are placed in front of them — and the current incentive systems used in public education do not make higher student achievement the chief objective. An obvious solution is to focus performance incentives for teachers and other school personnel on student achievement.
The ultimate goal of the incentive systems must be to attract, encourage and reward high-performing teachers while pushing low-performing teachers toward either improving their efforts or leaving the profession altogether, says Hanushek.
Source: Eric Hanushek, “Why Is It So Hard To Make Teachers Better?” Defining Ideas, January 30, 2011.
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Comment: Another issue, however, arises. What do we do with the teachers in American high schools who have little or no knowledge in the subject matter they are supposed to teach? Remember milk doesn’t come from turnips.
United States Dangerously Close to Debt/GDP Ratio Threshold
There is evidence that once a government lets its debt/gross domestic product (GDP) ratio rise more than 90 percent, the economy begins to seriously weaken and government spending starts to spiral out of control as the interest payments on the debt grow faster than the economy. The United States will probably hit the 90 percent threshold within a year (the current level is 68 percent, up from 37 percent in 2008), says Richard W. Rahn, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and chairman of the Institute for Global Economic Growth.
Up to now, foreigners have been willing to buy U.S. debt, but as inflation heats up, domestic and foreign lenders will insist on higher interest to compensate for the expected inflation. The United States has been able to finance its debt with very low interest rates over the past few years, but we are probably close to the endgame with this particular racket.
- Greece has already shown the world what happens when the debt/GDP ratio reaches critical levels.
- Government services, employment and transfer payments are drastically cut because there is no other choice and the economy goes into the tank.
- Britain and a number of other European countries will also likely breach the 90 percent threshold this year, while Japan will be at 200 percent.
Japan has been able to get away with a higher debt/GDP ratio because almost all of the debt is held by the Japanese and Japanese institutions. But this has led to economic stagnation and China just replaced Japan as the world’s second largest economy.
Source: Richard W. Rahn, “Shrinking Government,” Washington Times, February 14, 2011.
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Attitude of Royals pitcher Gil Meche, who retired
rather than collect $12 million, is refreshing
Friday, January 28th 2011, 4:00 AM
Gil Meche throws a pitch for the Kansas City Royals during the 2009 season.
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Turning down the dough
Do you admire Gil Meche’s decision to retire rather than collect $12 million?
The Snarky People are already starting to rag on Gil Meche, the Kansas City Royals pitcher with the injured shoulder who will retire rather than collect $12 million for sitting on his butt this season.
Business Insider’s Cork Gaines called his decision “idiotic.” One blogger said that if Meche really wanted to man up, he would fix his bum shoulder and get back out there on the mound and pitch.
But most people have been as blown away by Meche’s choice as if it were one of his 96 mph fastballs. Who does that?
Not the 550 teachers who took their paychecks to sit in a rubber room day after day, costing us $30 million a year. Legally, they were entitled to do what they did – nothing. But how could they live with themselves?
And not the 73 AIG executives, according to then-state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, who each got $1 million bonuses after we bailed them out with $182 billion of our tax dollars. They took their rewards after running the company into the ground.
AIG CEO Edward Liddy testified to Congress that he’d asked them to “give half back.” Are you surprised that only a tiny fraction did?
One company veep, Jake DeSantis, said in an open letter that he would keep his bonus, but he promised to give it away to people hurt by the economic downturn. I haven’t received my donation yet, have you?
No, what Meche did was rare. We’re so used to famous people getting big bucks for doing very little. Putting their name on a fragrance or a dress they didn’t create. Carrying a bottle of Ciroc down the red carpet for pay. There are talent-free people who make millions. How much do they need?
Meche has already earned millions. But he said “no” to millions more. I’ll bet if he slipped on the ice here in New York, he wouldn’t even sue.
Legally, Meche could sit on the bench and play Angry Birds for the entire season at $66,000 a day. But as Meche explained last week, “I wasn’t earning my money.” He looked down deep, and it just didn’t feel right.
What the 32-year-old athlete has is self-respect. And for showing our kids what integrity looks like, he’s earned our respect.
“The fault, as Cassius reminds Brutus, is in ourselves, a decaying civilization that will be saved (if it will be) not by the snobs in Washington and New York, London and Paris, Rome and Berlin, but by our version of the unsophisticated children of truckers who are now waking up from the drug-induced stupor of their parents’ and grandparents’ generation. I have hope, the eternal hope of a fearful heart, that the West will survive and yet again gather speed, but how sad are the losses and tears that have piled up — with more to come. They could have been avoided if we, as a people, were not so irresponsible or unfaithful to our history as to place at the head of our societies leaders so unworthy and clueless as the one who so unfittingly occupies the seat of Washington and Lincoln, at the head of this great republic.”
The above marvelous paragraph was written by Salim Mansur.
I introduce to you readers one of the children of truckers who are now waking up from the drug- induced stupor of their parents’ and grandparents’ generation, Tommy Robinson:
From the Gates of Vienna:
“Ten Questions for Tommy Robinson from the Amsterdam Post and the DDL
“Ten Questions” is a initiative launched by the Dutch Defence League and the Amsterdam Post. Periodically readers and members are given the opportunity to ask questions of certain people who are active in the front line against the Islamisation of their country or the threat of sharia law. This initiative was designed to give the people of Holland a better insight into these people or the organizations they represent.
The answers are published on several websites in Holland, Germany, and the rest of the world (ICLA, Amsterdam Post, Gates of Vienna). Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff was the first one, Tommy Robinson the second.
1. G. Deckzijl:
How big is the support for the EDL in the UK, and is anti-Islam resistance growing in the UK?
We’ve been holding demonstrations in cities all over England, and each time we manage to attract thousands of supporters. We’re doing well, but we’re still growing. We’ve got a new website, we’re making new alliances, we’re being taken more seriously by the press, and last week, just before the EDL returned to where it all began — my hometown of Luton — the British Prime Minister, David Cameron, gave a speech that echoed a number of the things that we’ve been saying. We started as a small band of people protesting against the treatment of the Royal Anglian Regiment by Muslim extremists, and now we’re looking at upwards of 75,000 supporters.
So resistance is definitely growing, but we’re still getting some unfounded criticisms. For instance, I don’t think it’s fair to say that we’re simply ‘anti-Islam’ — we’re opposed to the terrible things that Islam has brought with it — the support for terrorism, the oppression of women, the intolerance of other religions and other lifestyles, the self-imposed isolation and rejection of the most basic British values. Islam’s got to be held accountable, it’s got to change — but above all else, it’s these things that we need to fight against.
Groups like ours are really only called ‘anti-Islam’ because people are either too scared to criticise Islam, or they don’t realise that there are many good reasons for these criticisms. People have been purposefully kept in the dark by the politicians, by the media, and by those who want to convince us that Islam is simply the religion of peace. Now we’re being told that critics of Islam are all ‘Islamophobes’ (as if we’re all suffering from some kind of mental disorder!) — our opponents really are getting desperate.
What we do believe in is freedom, democracy and individual rights. And we believe that British culture is pretty good at celebrating these things. If we’re to properly resist the threat posed by Islam then we’ve got to convince people that being ‘anti-Islam’ means not being afraid to make important criticisms — it doesn’t mean being ‘far right’, it doesn’t mean being an ‘extremist’ — it means recognising the problems and not being afraid to talk about them — it means doing your bit to defend your country and its ideals.
I’d judge our success by how willing people are to actually talk about Islam — how much they’re willing to challenge it. The more people realise that the media and the government have been covering up the problems, the more they’ll look to the EDL to help voice their concerns — and the more supporters we have, the easier it’ll be to make the politicians listen. Things are getting better, but there’s still a long way to go.
2. Ingrid, Wachters, Fummifan, Frans Groenendijk:
The EDL has had a lot of negative publicity in the press. They were associated with neo-Nazis and football hooligans, who are suspected of joining the EDL just to cause trouble and give the EDL a bad name. Is there any truth in it, and did the EDL succeed in distancing itself from Nazi sympathizers, and what does the EDL do to improve its reputation? For example: were you able to convince Maryam Namazie (onelawforall.org) of your distance from the BNP?
I don’t like that we’re constantly being asked to convince people that we’re not Nazis, hooligans, or members of the BNP. I’d prefer it if people looked at what we’re saying, and asked themselves whether it’s compatible with the views of any of those groups. Last week in Luton I made clear that we’re not at all interested in race, and that I’d rather stand with one proud black patriot that a thousand scumbag racists. Why would I say that if it wasn’t true? I don’t say one thing to journalists and another to our supporters — I’m very open about my views, and we’ve published a mission statement on our website, for anyone who’s still unclear.
Yes, people have tried to use the EDL to cause trouble — but we always deal with them swiftly. At our local meets, the division leaders are constantly working to educate new members as to what we’re all about, and to make sure that people aren’t joining up for the wrong reasons. We’ve also introduced stewards at our demonstrations to help identify and remove troublemakers.
We want to have an open membership policy — to let anyone join, whatever their background, whatever their political beliefs, whatever their skin colour, whatever their religion — so that means that it’s important that anyone wanting to join does understanding what we do and do not stand for. Back in the early days we were filmed burning a swastika — we thought we’d made it pretty clear then — both to our opponents, and to our potential supporters. The EDL is about opposition to a dangerous form of Islam, and the protection of our country. That’s it.
The people that still call us all those kinds of things (racists, fascists, etc) are actually the ones that are guilty of the sort of prejudice that they’re accusing us of. We don’t demand that every Muslim convince us that they’re not an extremist — so people shouldn’t make similar demands of us. Maryam Namazie is an Iranian Communist — but we don’t ask her to prove that she’s not some kind of dangerous Stalinist. So, I don’t know if we’ve managed to convince Maryam that we’re not connected to the BNP — she should be able to work it out for herself.
3. G. Deckzeijl, Veteraan:
Is it possible to stop this Jihad talk by hard cold facts? Why for example are the black Jihad flags not forbidden?
Facts are of course important, and we’re doing all we can to tell people things we feel they need to know, as well as encouraging them to find out about Islam for themselves. But it’s difficult to convince people of things when the media will immediately find a so-called ‘moderate Muslim’ who will tell everyone that we’ve just misunderstood the issue, that Islam is the religion of peace, and that it’s us who are being offensive.
We have plenty of facts, but the constant message from the media and the government is that we don’t understand them.
What this means is that although we hear about crimes where Islam has played a part almost every day, many people still refuse to accept that there is any connection at all. It’s almost as if it’s too obvious, that if the connection was real then the government would be doing something about it. People take the government’s silence to mean that there’s not really a problem — not that the government has no idea how to deal with it.
The black Jihad flags aren’t forbidden because so few people actually recognise what they are, and because so many people would happily pretend that there aren’t all these problems with Islam.
In Europe, we see various counter jihad movements popping up: next to the EDL and its affiliates in other countries, there is SIOE, the Paris Manifesto movement, Geert Wilders planning to go international, political parties like Die Freiheit in Germany and a plethora of anti-Islam(ist) blogs.
Do you see any movement towards a pan-European umbrella organization, which would be strong enough to influence (or counter) national or European legislation, with respect to the ongoing Islamisation of Europe? Does the EDL work towards establishing such a movement? In relation to this: Which are the preferred partners of the EDL, both in Europe and elsewhere? Whose views do you most identify with?
We recognise that radical Islam is a global problem, but we’re mainly concerned with doing what we can in this country — as are the other defence leagues, and similar organisations, in their respective countries. The more successful we become, the more we’ll be able to help our foreign allies.
That said, we are proud to be members of the European Freedom Initiative (EFI), a group whose member organisations fight to preserve freedom of speech, and who oppose the spread of Islamism and Sharia law.
As for whose views we most identify with, that’s difficult, because it’s not like we’re a political party — there are lots of different views already within the EDL. As long as other groups believe in the values that we do — freedom of speech, freedom of religion, support for democracy, equal rights for women — and share our belief in the need to criticise and expose militant Islam, then they’re welcome to become part of our growing network.
Our friends in the EFI certainly share with us a number of key concerns and beliefs, and we look forward to working with them more in the future.
5. Veteraan DDL:
Is there going to be an umbrella organization for the different Defence Leagues that are forming?
It’s difficult to say exactly what’s going to happen in the future. We are seeing defence leagues, loosely based on the EDL model, cropping up all over the world. We’re proud to have inspired these people, but at the moment we don’t think there would be much point in creating any new umbrella organisation. We’re in regular contact with most of these groups, and we look forward to supporting each other’s efforts.
6. Frans Groenendijk:
What is your relation to UKIP (United Kingdom Independence Party) and vice versa? The UKIP is not anti-Islam. Is the EDL planning to start a political party in the future?
We have no plans to become, or to found, a political party. But we cannot discount the possibility of having to adopt a more political stance if our politicians continue to fail the British public. We are working to defend principles that are more important that party politics. Radical Islam isn’t just a threat to certain types of political parties; it’s a threat to the whole system of liberal democracy, because it wants to replace our laws and our politics with Sharia Law.
That’s one of the reasons why we’re such a diverse organisation — we have supporters with all different kinds of political views (it’s also one of the reasons why it’s ridiculous to call us ‘far right’). We want to pressure all politicians of all parties to start addressing the issues, to stand up for freedom of speech, and to make clear that they will not ignore the threat posed by radical Islam.
At the end of the day, we’d only enter politics if we were forced to by inaction — if none of the political parties listened to us. But I believe that we have the momentum — the growing support — to make sure that they will.
We’ve received quiet words of support from all of the main political parties in the UK, but have yet to agree a constructive working relationship with any of them. We do not wish to be party political, but we are more than willing to cooperate with those with whom we find common ground (be they political parties or other organisations). We would hope that the ruling Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition would begin to take seriously our concerns, because a clear and consistent message from government that acknowledged the extent of the problems we face, and which demonstrated a sincere commitment to overcoming them, would do a lot to reassure the people of Britain.
David Cameron does seem to be making some positive steps — but he’s got a long way to go to prove that he’s really on our side.
7. G. Deckzeijl, Templar NL:
Is the EDL aware of the meaning and existence of Taqiyya and Tafsir? Do you think that a moderate Islam exists, or is that part of their strategy?
Yes, we’re aware of the terms. Taqiyya is lying to protect or advance Islam — it’s a common tactic of Muslim organisations that pretend to be interested in building bridges between communities, when they’re only really interested in looking after their own interests, or which want to hide their real intentions. We should also mention Kitman: the strategy of pretending to accept the laws and beliefs of your enemy, whilst all the while plotting against them and looking to undermine them — a strategy very familiar to those who would push for Sharia in the UK.
Tafsir is the study and interpretation of the Koran, Hadith and Sunnah by scholars of Islam. It’s something that has so-far failed to produce a convincing blueprint for peace between Islam and ‘the West’.
We don’t always think that it’s helpful to divide Muslims into ‘moderates’ and ‘radicals’. Whilst there is some truth to it, we’re talking about people — who are rarely simple. I think it’s better to say that what we call ‘radical Islam’ is far more influential and widespread than most people realise. In some towns and cities, even in Britain, it threatens to dominate the local Muslim population.
Obviously some radicals do realise that it’s a good idea to appear to be moderates (and we’ve seen reports from organisations like the Quilliam Foundation that show that many supposed moderate Muslim organisations are actually infested with dangerous radicals). But I don’t think you can take that as evidence that there aren’t plenty of decent Muslims who love this country and are genuinely ashamed that others hold such intolerant views.
However, there are many opinion poll results out there that suggest that these people may actually be a minority. Regardless of the exact numbers, I think it’s undeniable that radical Islam is far too influential a force in Britain — and serious questions need to be asked if we’re to work out how to deal with it. Why, for instance, does tafsir continue to help justify the actions of the radicals and extremists rather than supporting the growth of so-called ‘moderate Islam’?
8. rias politica:
What are the possibilities of achieving a formal prohibition of the Sharia courts in GB?
We believe that it would be possible to attempt legal challenges against judgements handed down by Sharia court, but ultimately our success would rest on the political will needed to combat these courts. Judges can only operate within the law, and subject to the common consensus — and I don’t think they’ve had enough run-ins with Sharia courts to consider them a serious threat as yet.
If we’re going to prevent things from getting that far, then we need to educate people about the role Sharia courts play in undermining our laws, perpetuating intolerant and oppressive behaviours, and helping to keep the Muslim population segregated from the rest of society. Only the government is in a position to outlaw Sharia courts, and that won’t happen until we’ve won a lot more arguments.
9. DutchViking, Templar:
Will the government ever wake up before it’s too late? Do you think that politicians in GB and Europe will come to their senses and listen to groups like the EDL, or will it have to come entirely from the people?
I think they’ll listen, even if they never admit that we played an important role in convincing them that something must be done. As I mentioned earlier, David Cameron’s said some things recently that do give us hope. But even though he’s started echoing what we’ve been saying, he’d never acknowledge that he’s responding to the pressure that we’ve been putting on him. Instead, he’ll pretend that we hold extreme views — that we’re part of the ‘far right’ — even if he does come round to agreeing with exactly what we’ve been saying.
There’s still a lot of resistance to criticism of Islam. There are still a lot of people that think we need things like ‘multiculturalism’ because we should still feel guilty about the British Empire — so they hate anyone who isn’t ashamed of this country. The more people reject that view — whether they support the EDL or not — the better position we’ll be in.
How far is the EDL prepared to go in the fight against Islamisation?
We may need to change tactics at some point along the way, but we shall always remain peaceful — anything else would be counterproductive. We believe in the need to defend certain rights and freedoms from the threat posed by certain forms of Islam, and we’d never do anything to undermine those very same rights and freedoms.
Exactly what needs to be done to turn the tide of Islamisation depends largely on Islam itself — on its ability to reform, adapt and conform to Western culture, laws, politics and respect for human rights. Of course, it also depends on the willingness and strength of conviction of individual Muslims to be part of this process.
11th Bonus Question:
What can the people in The Netherlands and on the rest of the continent do to support you?
You should focus on what you can do in your own countries. We’d love to see you at our demonstrations, and would hope to lend you our support when we can. But what we’d really like to see would be you having your own successes, inspiring us to continue doing what we do, and setting an example of what can be achieved. In The Netherlands you have Geert Wilders — a politician unlike most of the others — who is committed seriously addressing the root cause of the problems of Islamic extremism. In The Netherlands you have the potential to achieve a great deal, and to be an example to the rest of the world. Best of luck to you all, and thank you!”
Mind you, they didn’t have any problem discriminating against Flanders, which deserves its own state far more than do the Kosovars. But, hey — you can’t make a multicultural omelet without breaking eggs, you know.
Hashim Thaçi has the official title of prime minister of Kosovo. Before he won that gig he ran the gangster guerilla army known as the KLA. After the United States intervened in Serbia in 1999, Mr. Thaçi and the Kosovars were able to operate with impunity, trafficking heroin and underage girls all across Europe.
Late last year Dick Marty, a special rapporteur for the Council of Europe, released a report that confirmed what had long been a rumor: during its war for independence the KLA had systematically killed both their Kosovar opponents and Serbian prisoners to harvest their organs and sell them on the black market. Hashim Thaçi, now a respected political leader was specifically implicated in the report.
To make matters worse, a recent WikiLeaks release has revealed that the UN and NATO knew all about Mr. Thaçi and his vile commercial affairs, but chose to ignore the fact and elevated him to the office of prime minister anyway.
Many thanks to Vlad Tepes for YouTubing this news report about Kosovo from Canadian TV:
The above title is my version of the events. The title given to the Yahoo News AP article by Scott Bader ran this was: “Wis. Lawmakers flee State to Block anti-Union Bill.”
“MADISON, Wis. – Faced with a near-certain Republican victory that would end a half-century of collective bargaining for public workers, Wisconsin Democrats retaliated with the only weapon they had left: They fled.
Fourteen Democratic lawmakers disappeared from the Capitol on Thursday, just as the Senate was about to begin debating the measure aimed at easing the state’s budget crunch.
By refusing to show up for a vote, the group brought the debate to a swift halt and hoped to pressure Republicans to the negotiating table.
“The plan is to try and slow this down because it’s an extreme piece of legislation that’s tearing this state apart,” Sen. Jon Erpenbach said.
The move drew cheers from tens of thousands of protesters — teachers, prison guards and others targeted by the proposal — who filled the Statehouse during the past three days.
Republican Gov. Scott Walker, who took office just last month, has made the bill a top priority. He urged the group to return and called the boycott a “stunt.”
“It’s more about theatrics than anything else,” Walker said, predicting that the group would come back in a day or two, after realizing “they’re elected to do a job.”
Walker said Democrats could still offer amendments to change the bill, but he vowed not to concede on his plan to end most collective bargaining rights.
With 19 seats, Republicans hold a majority in the 33-member Senate, but they are one vote short of the number necessary to conduct business. So the GOP needs at least one Democrat to be present before any voting can take place. Once the measure is brought to the floor, it needs 17 votes to pass.
Other lawmakers who fled sent messages over Twitter and issued written statements but did not disclose their location until hours later.
Erpenbach said the group had been in Rockford, Ill., but they dispersed by late afternoon.
In response to a question of where she was, Sen. Lena Taylor sent a tweet saying she was “doing the people’s business. Power to the PEOPLE.”
Sen. Tim Cullen of Janesville said he was back in Wisconsin by Thursday night, but he did not expect Democrats to return to take up the bill until Saturday.
As Republicans tried to begin Senate business around midday, observers in the gallery screamed “Freedom! Democracy! Unions!” Opponents cheered when a legislative leader announced there were not enough senators present to proceed.
The sergeant-at-arms immediately began looking for the missing lawmakers. If authorized, he can seek help from police.
Senate rules and the state constitution say absent members can be compelled to appear, but it does not say how.
“Today they checked out, and I’m not sure where they’re at,” Republican Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald said. “This is the ultimate shutdown, what we’re seeing today.”
The Senate planned to try again to convene Friday. The Assembly took no action Thursday but could take up the bill on Friday whether the Senate does or not, said John Jagler, spokesman for Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald.
Elsewhere, some Democrats applauded the developments in Wisconsin as a long-awaited sign that their party was fighting back against the Republican wave created by November’s midterm election.
“I am glad to see some Democrats, for a change, with a backbone. I’m really proud to hear that they did that,” said Democratic state Sen. Judy Eason-McIntyre of Oklahoma, another state where Republicans won the governorship in November and also control both legislative chambers.
Across the Wisconsin Statehouse, Democrats showed up in the Assembly chamber wearing orange T-shirts that proclaimed their support for working families.
After a routine roll call, they exchanged high-fives with protesters, who cried “thank you” as the Democrats walked by. Protesters unleashed venomous boos and screams at Republicans.
Thursday’s events were reminiscent of a 2003 dispute in Texas, where Democrats twice fled the state to prevent adoption of a redistricting bill designed to give Republicans more seats in Congress. The bill passed a few months later.
The drama in Wisconsin unfolded in a jam-packed Capitol. Madison police and the State Department of Administration estimated the crowd at 25,000 protesters, the largest number yet.
Demonstrators stood shoulder-to-shoulder in the building’s hallways, sat cross-legged across the floor and made it difficult to move from room to room. The scene vacillated from being festive to angry or sometimes just plain weird: One protester rode across the marble floors of the Capitol on a Segway. Another pitched a tent for an overnight stay.
Protesters clogged the hallway outside the Senate chamber, beating on drums, holding signs deriding Walker and pleading for lawmakers to kill the bill. Some others even demonstrated outside lawmakers’ homes.
Hundreds of teachers joined the protest by calling in sick, forcing a number of school districts to cancel classes. Madison schools, the state’s second-largest district, with 24,000 students, closed for a second day.
Thousands more people, many of them students from the nearby University of Wisconsin, slept in the rotunda for a second night, with more planning to stay Thursday as well.
“We are all willing to come to the table. We’ve all been willing from day one,” said Madison teacher Rita Miller. “But you can’t take A, B, C, D and everything we’ve worked for in one fell swoop.”
About 12 law enforcement agencies were helping guard the Capitol, which was scheduled to remain open around the clock for an indefinite period.
Dane County Sheriff Dave Mahoney said authorities were ordered to show “extreme measures of tolerance.”
“What we’re seeing here is perhaps the most dramatic exercise of the democratic process,” Mahoney said. “We’re not only protecting the rights of organized labor, but also the rights of people supporting the bill.”
Nine people were given citations for minor acts of civil disobedience, he said.
The proposal marks a dramatic shift for Wisconsin, which passed a comprehensive collective bargaining law in 1959 and was the birthplace of the national union representing all non-federal public employees.
In addition to eliminating collective-bargaining rights, the legislation also would make public workers pay half the costs of their pensions and at least 12.6 percent of their health care coverage — increases Walker calls “modest” compared with those in the private sector.
Republican leaders said they expected Wisconsin residents would be pleased with the savings the bill would achieve — $30 million by July 1 and $300 million over the next two years to address a $3.6 billion budget shortfall.
Unions still could represent workers, but could not seek pay increases above those pegged to the Consumer Price Index unless approved by a public referendum. Unions also could not force employees to pay dues and would have to hold annual votes to stay organized.
In exchange for bearing more costs and losing bargaining leverage, public employees were promised no furloughs or layoffs. Walker has threatened to order layoffs of up to 6,000 state workers if the measure does not pass.”
Associated Press writers Todd Richmond and Jason Smathers in Madison and Sean Murphy in Oklahoma City contributed to this story.
Comment: I don’t think it is too complicated to distinguish which side here is gangsterish mob and which is trying to fix a serious, very serious financial crisis and attempt to return public education to a state responsibility rather than a corrupt union local. The teachers who lie about sick leave or who simply walked out of their classes or with their classes should be fired.
The historical illiteracy of Wisconsin teachers; Update: Crosshairs,
by Ed Morrissey at HotAir
“Godwin’s Law states that any political argument, carried on long enough, will eventually provoke a Nazi reference. My own personal corollary to Godwin’s Law is that the first side to invoke it invariably loses, mainly because Nazis and Adolf Hitler are simply not analogous to normal politics in American democracy, unless one is discussing actual neo-Nazis. It exposes a clear lack of historical literacy about the Nazis and the history between the two World Wars of the last century. It’s the kind of argument favored by the relatively uneducated.
That’s what makes the protests in Wisconsin over Governor Scott Walker’s proposal to curtail the power of public-sector unions so deliciously ironic. Hot Air reader Tim R in Madison took his camera with him when he attended the large protests staged by the teachers against the budget bill that would require contributions for pensions and health insurance, as well as put new curbs on collective bargaining. Tim discovered signs like this at the protest yesterday at 6 pm just after the speakers concluded:
This is one of the milder examples, although it’s worth noting that teachers brought their students with them to the protest. I wonder if the same teacher holding this sign would discipline a student who wrote something similar on a chalkboard, with or without the underscores.
This seems to be a theme at the protests:
Er, Hitler? Why Hitler, of all possible comparisons? One of her colleagues helpfully held a sign to explain it:
First, Walker hasn’t “outlowed” unions, or even proposed outlawing them, either. Walker’s proposal would restrict negotiations with non-law-enforcement unions to wages only, and would require recertification votes each year. It would also make Wisconsin a right-to-work state, ending automatic deduction of union dues from paychecks and instead make them voluntary. That may put unions in a tough position to justify their continued representation, but it hardly outlaws the unions.
Besides, even if it did, it’s a fallacious argument. Hitler was also a vegetarian who owned a dog. Are all vegetarians Nazis? All dog owners? The Nazis aren’t history’s great villains because Hitler opposed public-sector unions. To equate that with Naziism isn’t just reprehensible, it’s downright ignorant and minimizes the actual horrors of Naziism.
That doesn’t stop Wisconsin educators from expanding on their theme:
What do you get when you cross Hosni Mubarak and Adolf Hitler? One ugly baby, that’s for sure, but not Scott Walker. Again, this appears to be a recurring theme in this teachers’ protest. (Also, it looks like anti-smoking efforts have been for naught in the classroom.)
But while we’re noticing just how poorly Wisconsin teachers do at history, it looks as though some of them might have problems with the present:
“Impeach Bush”? Maybe it’s a leftover sign from a few years ago. The Anchoress points out another sign at a different locale which reads “I AM THE FUTURE – I NEEN QUALITY TEACHERS.” From what we’ve seen of these protests, the entire state of Wisconsin is in need of quality teachers, and it looks like the union is the biggest impediment to getting them.
Meanwhile, Democrats in the Wisconsin Senate have gone AWOL in an attempt to avoid casting a vote on the bill:
A three-day-long stand-off at the Wisconsin state capitol between union supporters and those backing the Republican governor’s budget cuts just went to another level Thursday as Democratic senators apparently fled the state to prevent a vote on Gov. Scott Walker’s budget-repair bill, which would cut public employee union collective bargaining rights and require them to contribute to pensions and health care.
Law enforcement has been sent to find missing Democratic lawmakers, according to a Madison, Wis. ABC affiliate. State Sen. leader Scott Fitzgerald said only one Democrat is needed for quorum to vote on the controversial bill, which is expected to pass a Republican-majority Senate. The “Sergeant of Arms is going door to door to find Democratic senators.”
The budget-repair bill passed a finance committee 12-4 late last night, its last hurdle before a Senate vote, on party lines convincing Senate Democrats that moderate Republicans would not deliver them an upset victory over the Gov. Scott Walker.
They have to come home eventually, and they can’t avoid their responsibilities forever.”